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Tell
me a bit about The Big Bang.
A
fuckin’ big bang is gonna hit the shit out of everybody in 2006.
That’s really all that can be said. I’m gonna bang the shit
out of everything moving. I’m one of the best representations of
this quality hip-hop: three years in the making, Flipmode/Aftermath/Interscope,
a lot of time to cook up some real crazy shit in the studio with
Dr. Dre.
I
know Ol’ Dirty Bastard, Dre and some other people have been
mentioned as contributors, but how much of an influence does the
Flipmode Squad have on the album?
They
got a song on the album with me, like every other album that
I’ve made in the past.
How
did the songs with Rick James and Stevie Wonder come about?
They
got legacies that are godly to me. It was an unbelievable honor to
have them real interested in doing something with me. Shortly
after my song was done with Rick James, he passed away. God bless
the dead.
Stevie
Wonder [and I are] both Tauruses, so when I reached out to him, he
was already feelin’ me and what I was doin’ with the music.
And of course I was feeling him with what he did with the music,
and we just vibed for a good six to eight weeks together, just
getting to know each other, getting to learn each other, getting
to see how we put it down in the studio and just being around each
other to be sure if we really wanted to do something with each
other.
Stevie,
he’s gotta feel a certain comfort zone, because at this stage in
his career, he don’t gotta do shit. So when he finally was with
it to get on this record with me, the shit was an unbelievable
honor, man, and he came in the studio and I recorded in his
Wonderland Studio and we made the shit a banger.
And
the dope thing is that they [both] were so willing and so
open-minded to come into my world and [see] what I’m trying to
do in my universe with the music. They didn’t have no problem
being a part of the concepts that I had for the songs, because the
songs that I did with them were concept records. I didn’t wanna
waste it just trying to make some shit that wasn’t gonna have
substance. I wanted to make these songs really big-event records,
not only because of their involvement but because of what we were
dealing with as far as subject matter and issues. They made them
shits real phenomenal and incredible, and that’s the shit that I
like to do. I like to do the shit that people can’t compete
with, stand-alone type of projects.
Southern
hip-hop is a big influence right now. What do you think New York
hip-hop has to do to reclaim the throne?
I
think New York needs to balance the fuckin’ music out, man.
That’s part of the reason we lost the shit in the first place.
I
think it’s two reasons. The A-list rap artist in New York has no
presence right now. There was a time when DMX, Jay-Z, Nas, Busta
Rhymes, Notorious B.I.G. — we all had projects at the same time.
That’s missing right now.
Number
two, everybody became so tough that they forgot what it was to
have fun and make records for people to party to. You can’t get
no chick to go out with you all the time if every time you go out,
you trying to slap somebody in they fuckin’ face. You talk so
fuckin’ tough that it seems like every time you go out you wanna
beat somebody’s ass. Ain’t no chick trying to go out with you
when you’re fuckin’ vibing like that all the time. Chicks
can’t dance to tough-guy records all the time.
You
totally sacrifice what the whole meaning is of partying and having
fun. Don’t get me wrong, I approve the street shit. The tough
talk, the street shit — we need those movements and those
pictures painted, especially if they’re being done in a mellow
way and a right way, because this is the testosterone that hip-hop
was built on. But you can’t have too much of one thing. At some
point in the club you ain’t gotta hear, “I’ll shoot you and
bust your fuckin’ head.” People get tired if you ain’t got
some shit to balance it out with.
That’s
part of the reason why I made “Touch It.” I just felt like it
was straight feel-good energy, club banger, make people wild out,
put a smile on your motherfuckin’ face, pour your drinks around,
spend your money at the bar and just feel good about being out.
That’s what “Touch It” is. Don’t get me wrong: You gonna
get the street on the album as well, I’m just trying to
re-establish what it’s like to have that feel-good energy in the
club, in the street, and New York needs that.
Talking
about that cohesiveness between rappers, what’s it like working
with Raekwon and the RZA on Cuban Linx Part II?
That
shit has been unbelievable. Raekwon is a genius. RZA, he’s the
fuckin’ sensei. When you get an opportunity to work with
greatness, man, I’m just such a big fan of the [first] Cuban
Linx project that I came to Raekwon one day and was like,
“Yo, man, this generation of hip-hop never really got a chance
to digest that kind of quality music. We need to get back to that
man.” Plus nobody has ever been able to finesse the drug talk
better than Ghostface and Raekwon, and when they’re together
they are an unstoppable machine.
That
whole Wu-Tang movement has created such a milestone in this rap
shit. I just feel that this generation is missing that presence
that they once had, the whole movement they once had, the
contribution they was makin’ to the music at one time … I’m
just trying to re-establish what real quality hip-hop music is
supposed to feel like, with the New York logo on it. I’m just
trying to pull it all together in whatever way that I can, and if
I’m a fan of certain things, I’m just gonna try to bring that
shit back to life. And right now Raekwon is one of my closest
peoples in this rap shit, and Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest is
one of my closest people in this rap shit. That’s why they [both
have a presence] on my album as well.
I
feel like right now is one of the critical times in hip-hop, but
we gotta lead by example ’cause motherfuckers is complaining so
much about why New York ain’t poppin’. What we gonna do is
re-establish that throne that we always used to hold down. We
gotta contribute to each other’s greatness in whatever way we
possibly can, and that is what the Dirty South is doin’.
They’re puttin on a lot of their new artists; they’re all
comin’ out with A-list producers to support and break in their
new artists. But New York motherfuckers is scared to lose whatever
title it is they self-proclaim themselves as having.
But
on that ignorant New York shit that they don’t wanna put on the
new niggas, ’cause they scared that these new niggas might come
and smash whatever they doin’ and move them out of they spot.
They ain’t really helping new niggas to come up the way they
should, and I think that’s some bitch-move shit. I just wanna
show motherfuckers how to do it. Big up to certain [rappers] that
are bringing they cliques through and puttin’ on they new
artists: G-Unit, Dipset for the most part, Flipmode without
question. We’re tryin’ to re-establish the way the game needs
to feel, from the way that we live and the way we feel to how the
way the game needs to look and the way the game needs to feel.
You’ve
always been recognized as one of the top lyricists and one of the
most intellectual emcees. What’s your take on what’s going on
in the world right now, from Katrina to the presidency of George
Bush.
It’s
all conspired shit. I’m real big on conspiracy theories man, but
I’m also one that’s real big on facts — the facts and the
show. The way things play themselves out is what I live by,
because there’s a whole lot of talk and propaganda that’s
thrown out here to keep us blind from what’s really going on and
to keep distracting us from the truth, so we can’t really see
how filthy the devil is in all of his affairs.
Them
devils — I call them devils, the powers that be — they’re
the ones that really own the motherfuckin’ United States
corporation. Like most bosses of most companies, we don’t really
get to see them or interact with them. The board of directors, the
shareholders of major corporations, we get to see the bosses that
they appoint to be the bosses to come in and deal with the staff,
the employees and so on and so forth, but we don’t really get to
see the hierarchy motherfuckers that really dictate the way shit
is supposed to be.
Bush
ain’t nothing but on some fuckin’ strings; he do what the fuck
he’s told. He’s the president, just here to be president of a
corporation. He’s an employee put on a salary. What he does to
get his money and to get his power outside of that, of course,
that’s what it’s about. Niggas is gonna hustle to try to do
whatever they can, because it’s about seizing the opportunity
while you got the moment to seize the opportunity, to capitalize
on the shit that you can capitalize on while he’s in the
position to do it. That’s what the Bush family is about.
They’re about strong-arming shit. They got they little scandals
goin’ on. They not gonna stop doin’ that.
The
whole political system is about scandals and a bunch of bullshit.
It’s always gonna be … so they can control people. We’re
nothing but a bunch of employees that run around and do slave
labor to keep the company — the America corporation —
functioning.
As
far as the voting system, picture having a corporation that
you’re the founder of. You got a business, you got like six or
seven people; you got your president, your vice president, your
treasurer, your secretary, your board of directors. It’s a
corporate structure, the same shit that the United States is set
up: president, vice president, treasurer, secretary, board of
directors, so on and so forth. They need employees to work. Who
are the employees? The American citizens. The American citizen
ain’t nothing’ but slaves tied into the country. You ain’t
got nothing’ that you own here. You buy your house. You pay for
your house. You think you own your house, but you pay taxes for
the rest of your life until you die, because you don’t own the
land.
They
knew the fuckin’ flood was gonna fuck the people up in New
Orleans. The one way to justify moving people out, taking over
that land … so they can rebuild shit and then bring a new fuckin’
system out there is by letting that flood fuck those people up.
Not coming, not helping them. Take their land, give them a little
piece of money and tell them they really don’t have no choice of
whether or not they can stay. They gotta bounce.
’Cause
don’t nobody own the land, and it’s real fucked up. There
wasn’t really no other way for them to come in there and tell
motherfuckers they can’t live there no more, so what they did
was foresee a problem that they wasn’t gonna fix. … But it
really was all conspired shit. At the end of the day, they knew
they had bigger plans for that property. It’s like when fucking
[big developers] see a piece of land they want to build a twin
tower on, [they] makes plans to go in and seize that property so
[they] can do what [they] want with it.
It
ain’t shit. They knew what they wanted to do with that land out
there; they knew that they just can’t tell the whole city they
gotta move. So they just let this little leak become a fuckin’
fast drip [and then become] a fuckin’ flow from a water faucet,
[and it became] a flood that they knew they wasn’t gonna fix.
… They knew what their agenda was, and at the end of the day all
[Bush is] doing is executing their plans. That’s really my take
on that type of shit, man, and that’s the reason why all that
voting shit is crazy to me.
How
the fuck you gonna tell me that I got a corporation with
employees, that I’m gonna allow my employees to vote me out of
my business that I am the president of or that I own? You can’t
vote me out of shit; that’s my shit. As far as the voting system
is concerned, I think it’s psychological antifreeze. It’s just
to keep people cool because they need something to make them feel
like they got a say-so. People feel like they got some say-so,
they cool.
It’s
almost like when you’re talking to someone that you know and
they’re ignoring you; what you say means nothing. Don’t that
shit drive you a lot more crazy than an actual argument with
somebody talking shit back to you? So they know they gotta fool
people into thinking their word means something: You have some
say-so. People know if you’re ignoring them and you have no
say-so, they’re gonna be forced to do something to be heard. And
what they’re gonna be forced to do to be heard, you may not be
ready to deal with.
Devils
don’t want you to know how filthy they are in all of their
affairs, how corrupt they are and how scandalous they are in all
of their agendas, ’cause they know we’re more of a morally,
principally correct type of motherfucker compared to them. They
don’t live based by morals and principals. That’s why they
destroy their own to establish position and power.
What
books have you read recently that have sparked your brain?
I
liked The DaVinci Code. It just had the concept. The core
element of the concept of the book deals with whether or not Jesus
had relatives and how they had to hide in these paintings every
connection that came or might have led back to Jesus, and it’s
crazy to me that they do shit like that. Is it because Jesus
really ain’t no white boy and he’s black? The Old Testament
describes him as a black man. The New Testament, the King James
version, is some ol’ funny-style shit. Just for the record, King
James was, from my understanding, a homosexual. I don’t knock
that, I just don’t live by that. I follow the Old Testament.
At
the end of the day, this book — shit like that is just a …
sample of how much we are being kept from the truth. ’Cause I
think these motherfuckers really is scared of the fact that there
might be a blood that exists today that’s black that could say
he’s a direct descendent of Jesus Christ. I think that’s one
of the most frightening things that could ever happen to anyone in
a position of power as far as the hierarchy government is
concerned and the powers that be. A motherfucker like me that
could have my pants hanging off my ass with all types of diamond
chains around my neck talking shit and rapping, that could say
I’m a direct descendent of Jesus Christ. And that’s a threat
that they don’t ever wanna have to face. So they keep us blind
to shit like that and hide those facts.
I
love to get into sciences like this, man, but primarily I wanna
beat people in the head, just to spark people in a way [to get
them] to read between the lines, to never take nothing at face
value and that the facts and show is what it’s all about. One
piece of interesting information connects to another, and it could
go as far as you’re willing to research. The Big Bang is
another display of how far we can take this music and take the
information that I have and communicate it to the people.
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